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[sajid727]

Hi Everyone,

I would also like to add that I am one of the OpenATV developers. I am not German and I don't speak German. (I am Australian.) Part of my task is to help ensure that OpenATV becomes better Internationalised. To that end we are now enforcing that all code changes are now written in US English which is the "default" coding language. All text, grammar and spelling within the code is being moved to US English. All this core text is also being placed into our translation engine so that the volunteer translators can translate the text into any of the very many supported languages.

OpenATV has, for many years, been driven by people who only speak German. There are some who are also very good with English and others whose home language is also not German. We are all trying to come together to make OpenATV an open and inviting image. Please understand that German speaking users make up the current bulk of the community but the team has been working very hard to try and open access to people who don't speak German and also may not speak English. This is a process and will take time for everyone to adjust.

If any of you feel that your language is not being well handled the please politely point out any areas that can be improved. We can't fix everything but we can keep trying to improve. It should also be noted that all of you can help in the effort by trying to help and support each other to further build up the community of your chosen language.

As an example, The new Beyonwiz related area of the forum was created at my request to create a place where Australian users of a now defunct Australian version of Enigma2 can come and congregate. That area is only handled in English. Some of the multilingual German users do drop in to try and help IN ENGLISH. The area is very new and the word has not well spread to Australian users as the previous support and discussion forums were closed down without any notice. I mention this simply to demonstrate that OpenATV is open and actively trying to support users other than those who only speak German.

Due to my limited time availability, I spend most of my time cutting code and fixing issues, I do try to keep an eye on the Beyonwiz area of the forum. I can try to also keep an eye on the English area of the forum but please note that my primary area is development, coding and skinning. I am not meant to be a forum support person but I hear and understand from where you are coming.

I would also like to add that if any of you want to help the team then that would be very welcome. We would love to have a moderator (at least one) for the English area of the forum. If any of you are very good with English documentation (with the US English slant) then you may like to help review and revise the text within OpenATV. There is also the need for authors to write documentation and manuals to help new English speaking users make the most of OpenATV. There are probably other tasks where you may be able to help.

I hope you will all consider being part of the solution to the lack of English speakers in the current community.

Regards,
Ian.

Hi Ian,

Thanks for sharing this detailed update! It’s great to hear that OpenATV is making strides to be more internationalized and inclusive. Your efforts to standardize code changes to US English and integrate them into the translation engine are commendable and should definitely help broaden OpenATV’s appeal.

It’s also encouraging to see the creation of the Beyonwiz area for Australian users and the involvement of multilingual German users in supporting English speakers. I appreciate the challenges involved in balancing development work with forum support and understand that it’s a process that takes time.

I’ll definitely keep an eye out for areas where the language support can be improved and will encourage others to do the same. I would love to contribute more, but as I serve in a government department, my spare time is quite limited, so I can’t commit to forum reviews or documentation tasks at the moment.

Thanks again for your commitment to making OpenATV more accessible and for inviting us to be part of the solution!

Best regards,

sajid

[Papi2000]

Das traurige daran ist ja, dass die ausländisch screibenden User bei Einstellung der AI für ihre Sprache die Unhöflichkeit bzw. Rücksichtslosigkeit den deutsch sprechenden Usern gegenüber, nichtmal sehen. Stellt man das auf eine andere Sprache als"Deutsch", erscheinen ALLE Foreninhalte (bis auf die Bilder, die wie schon angesprochen auch bitte in Zukunft mehrsprachig oder doch englisch eingestellt werden sollten) in der jeweiligen Sprache - durchgängig. Nur bei Deutsch hat man babylonischen Sprachmix. Mehr mag ich dazu fast nicht schreiben, weil sonst auch zukünftig eine Abhängigkeit von einem kostenpflichtigen AI-Translator weiter wächst. Das kann niemand auf Dauer bezahlen.

[listener]

Meiner Meinung nach ist es falsch herum übersetzt.
In erster Linie ist Deutsch die Sprache des Forums.
Dann sollten Fremdsprachen zu Deutsch sein, wenn der Poster keine Deutschkenntnisse hat.
kann google helfen

[IanSav]

Hi All,

By the way, for all the German users complaining about the English posts in this and a few other threads, please be aware that these threads have been posted across the forum including the English areas. We have taken this as an invitation to contribute to the discussion.

The only time I am knowingly posting in the German only threads was when I was trying to help people. Given all the criticism I will no longer knowingly reply to or offer help in any threads that are not in the English areas of the forum. As I only speak English, and after reading so many of the critical comments, I will restrict my comments to only English.

I will suggest that the German topics replicated into the other language areas of the forum be removed. I think it is very sad that so many people don't want interest and involvement from others.

Regards,
Ian.

[urie]

Meiner Meinung nach ist es falsch herum übersetzt.
In erster Linie ist Deutsch die Sprache des Forums.
Dann sollten Fremdsprachen zu Deutsch sein, wenn der Poster keine Deutschkenntnisse hat.
kann google helfen

Even when forum was German and even using an online translator there were always german members who complained, when asking or answering in german sections. Sometimes you go to german section to help or ask questions because some posts in english section seem to be ignored only a few of the team who answer.

[mike99]

Ich kann auch kein Englisch, habe damit aber keine Probleme,
auch im alten Forum habe ich mir die paar englischen Texte vom Browser übersetzen lassen.

[Gio60]

@urie
Problem is,that we don´t have so many Mods here that can speak so good English to support more the English Section and when you be honest,for example if on the LInuxsat Forum peoples write in German in the English Section,the posting will either be deleted or translated into English by a moderator.

[urie]

@urie
Problem is,that we don´t have so many Mods here that can speak so good English to support more the English Section and when you be honest,for example if on the LInuxsat Forum when peoples write for example in German in the English Section,the posting will either be deleted or translated into English by a moderator.

Yes I can understand that, but hopefully new forum changes will help make it easier for all members

[jorgo]

So mache ich es auch immer....@mike99
Bis ich gerade erst gemerkt habe , das GOOGLE auch nur bis 3900 Zeichen Englisch-Deutsch übersetzt, als ich mir den Beitrag von @IanSav
übersetzen lassen wollte....

[listener]

Verlassen Sie sich nicht zu sehr auf Übersetzerprogramme
Ich kann gut Niederländisch und Deutsch ,Deutsch schreiben nicht 100% vielleicht 80%
Aber was der Übersetzer daraus macht, stimmt meist nicht mit dem überein, was
ich geschrieben habe

[hammu]

Genau. Diese Übersetzer sind keine Programmierer oder Techniker.
Man kann damit gut nach Sehenswürdigkeiten fragen oder Bier bestellen, aber bei Fachfragen scheitern die.
Wer schon mal eine Supportseite von Microsoft gelesen hat, die MS selbst automatisch in Deutsch übersetzt hat, der versteht manchmal nicht einmal Bahnhof.

[Captain]

google und bing suche

bitte mal prüfen denke sieht nun schon besser aus

[Jogibär]

Ich denke das das hauptproblem nun darin besteht, daß englische nutzer diesen thread mit deutschen texten nicht wahrnehmen, wegen der ai.
Das kann man ihnen auch dann nicht zum vorwurf machen.
Aber ich soll mir dann jeden Kommentar mit google per copy past dann kopieren und übersetzen?
Was ein krampf...
Ich mach das ja auch oft, aber nu wird es echt stressig.
Ich kann mich nur wiederholen, ai für alle oder keinen...

[Captain]

es kommen kaum spenden rein für die Bau Server, und fürs Forum kommt genau 0 eur rein
leider wollen alle Geld für so was, wir müssen also damit leben was wir haben

[Bengo]

Wenn man sein Passwort zurücksetzen will und man gibt seine E-Mail Adresse und man drückt weiter. Dan kommt ein PHP Error Code.oben.
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[sajid727]

Hi All,

By the way, for all the German users complaining about the English posts in this and a few other threads, please be aware that these threads have been posted across the forum including the English areas. We have taken this as an invitation to contribute to the discussion.

The only time I am knowingly posting in the German only threads was when I was trying to help people. Given all the criticism I will no longer knowingly reply to or offer help in any threads that are not in the English areas of the forum. As I only speak English, and after reading so many of the critical comments, I will restrict my comments to only English.

I will suggest that the German topics replicated into the other language areas of the forum be removed. I think it is very sad that so many people don't want interest and involvement from others.

Regards,
Ian.

Hi Ian,

I completely understand your concerns, and it's unfortunate that the situation has caused some friction. We all want the forum to be a welcoming space, no matter the language. Your willingness to help is appreciated, and it’s a shame that criticism has overshadowed that.

Maybe instead of pulling back, we could try a different approach—how about creating dedicated sections for bilingual discussions? This way, German and English users can contribute without feeling lost in translation. Think of it like a digital “language buffet” where everyone gets to enjoy their preferred dish without confusion.

OpenATV’s international community is one of its strengths, and I think a structured solution like this could make the forum more inclusive while keeping things organized. It would be like adding some “forum feng shui” to make everyone feel at home!

Best regards,


sajid

[sajid727]

es kommen kaum spenden rein für die Bau Server, und fürs Forum kommt genau 0 eur rein
leider wollen alle Geld für so was, wir müssen also damit leben was wir haben

Hi Captain,

Thank you for your transparency on the situation. It's understandable that maintaining servers and running the forum come with significant costs, especially when donations are low. Perhaps we could explore additional ways to encourage contributions from the community, whether through highlighting the importance of donations, adding voluntary subscription options, or even offering small incentives for those who support the platform.

We all benefit from the hard work and resources put into the forum, so finding sustainable ways to support it would be in everyone's best interest. If there's anything specific that can be done to help raise awareness or increase funding, I’d be happy to contribute ideas.

Best regards,


sajid

[Muhammad Qaiser]

It’s important for the forum to be inclusive and responsive to all users, regardless of their primary language. Finding a balance where everyone feels heard and supported is key.

[s3n0]

es kommen kaum spenden rein für die Bau Server, und fürs Forum kommt genau 0 eur rein
leider wollen alle Geld für so was, wir müssen also damit leben was wir haben

I don't see the link to donate to the OpenATV project. If you want people to contribute, they must have a link to donate to the OpenATV project in a visible place.

Or does the phpBB license prohibit this? You will not receive rewards for good work, thanks to the phpBB forum, but thanks to your mental work - support and development of OpenATV. I don't know... I haven't researched it :).

I have to repeat it again, but absolutely without any pressure... really just completely indifferent... meaningless... since I don't hope that Germany will start supporting the English language in the same way that Tesco doesn't support the English language :-D ... that in my opinion, the biggest problem is the NON-EXISTENT English language on this forum. Realize @Captain that Germany and Austria are big countries, with a total of 92 million inhabitants, but it's still NOT ALL OF EUROPE! There are an awful lot of people who come FROM COUNTRIES OTHER than Germany. However, they do not speak German, but only English. Now you have statistics on phpBB, so be aware of that and see how many people will visit this discussion forum from an IP address other than German during the year. If English-speaking people visit this discussion forum, they must be appalled in my opinion. However, if there was at least EN support as soon as the first TOPIC, on the main page of the discussion forum, then maybe more people would visit this discussion forum - these people who do not speak German at all. But I will return to my original thought. By attracting people from abroad, he would get more donations over time. Realize that rich people don't live only in Germany+Austria, which is 92 million people. Of these, if 10% of people are very rich (just a simple estimate), then, for example, at least 1-3 people (again, only a rough estimate) use a Linux set-top box... and it is these people who visit the discussion forum, and certainly would also like to contribute their donations. HOWEVER... a total of 222 million people live in Western Europe. If we also count Eastern Europe, i.e. Russian countries, it is many times more. The whole of Europe has approximately 740 million inhabitants. For example, England alone has about 56 million inhabitants. This doesn't bother you at all @Captain?

I admit that few people use SAT TV viewing and even fewer people use Linux set-top boxes, and usually every seller will offer them certified (non-Linux) set-top boxes. But it is about getting the highest possible chance of donation + popularity for OpenATV.

Please note @Captain that the most used Enigma2 in Europe are currently only OpenATV and OpenPLi.

I simply cannot believe that there are not at least 1-5 rich people in Europe who would contribute, for example, a donated amount of at least 10 to 100 thousand EUR to the OpenATV project :).

The problem is the fact that even if, with the random chance explained above, at least 1-5 very rich users are found in Germany and Austria, probably none of them will be interested in contributing a financial donation. However, if you expand the range of popularity and ENGLISH support to other countries in Europe, there will be other occasionally very rich people, 1-2 in each country, who use OpenATV and who may want to contribute to the OpenATV project with a financial donation.

You write that you have very few financial gifts. But you absolutely ignore the need to run a discussion forum WORLDWIDE and not "only for German speakers".

No offense @Captain, but you're actually lucky. If you lived in a country with a smaller population, and if you had a discussion forum in that country only in the native language, then maybe no one would have heard of this OpenATV :).

Expand the scope of OpenATV, please... to the whole world... that is. into the English language.

I didn't graduate from any school of marketing, but such rough basics of how to get money - that's a clear thing after all.

Or do you think that the 1-5 very rich people who happen to live in Germany and Austria, who also use this OpenATV and visit this discussion forum (in German)... that they will contribute? Not at all. Maybe they didn't even think about it. I mean... that every chance counts... every single person reached anywhere on Earth... to contribute.

My friend also developed several different projects, but until he started looking for sponsors worldwide, no one ever applied. Even the poorest countries in the world, such as India, are reporting sponsors. Realize this please @Captain ! Germany is not the only one on planet Earth and the German language is not the only one at all! Even the German language does not even belong to the top ten most used languages ​​in the world!!!

Be aware that not only in Germany there are rich people who happen to own a Linux set-top box with OpenATV image (or even in Austria, where many people also live - with the German language).

[Doctor Who]

Und der Mehrwert von diesem Sterne-System erschließt sich mir auch nicht.
Wieviel "Danke" muss man bekommen damit ein Stern leuchtet ? 10,100,1000 ?

And the added value of this star system is not clear to me either.
How many ‘thanks’ do you have to get for a star to light up? 10,100,1000 ?