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[Papi2000]

Thanks for your information....@s3n0

My "school-english" is enough for read the english text from you ( I hope )





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Ein weiteres Problem - auch schon beim alten Forum:
User spielen gern mit Farben, ohne an die anderen User, die z.B. den anderen Style nutzen, zu denken.
Siehe deine Sig im Screenshot:



PS: Es gibt Foren, die haben genau einen Style. Das ist dann so. Und Userwünsche werden dort nicht unbedingt berücksichtigt, weil den Pflege- und Änderungsaufwand jemand bezahlen muss. Das ändert sich nicht allein.

[sajid727]

Hello everyone,

Great forum and thanks for all the hard work! Congratulations on the successful shift from vBulletin to phpBB 3.3.12—impressive upgrade!

I’ve noticed that while the text on the forum is automatically translated into English, the attached pictures are still in German. For international users like myself, it would be really helpful if these images could also be provided in English or include English captions. This would make the content much more accessible and user-friendly for everyone. Thanks a lot for considering this!

Best regards

Sajid

[Gio60]

Hello everyone,

Great forum and thanks for all the hard work! Congratulations on the successful shift from vBulletin to phpBB 3.3.12—impressive upgrade!

I’ve noticed that while the text on the forum is automatically translated into English, the attached pictures are still in German. For international users like myself, it would be really helpful if these images could also be provided in English or include English captions. This would make the content much more accessible and user-friendly for everyone. Thanks a lot for considering this!

Best regards

Sajid

Sorry,but I don't think that this is so possible,because the most thread's here are from German User's and they post most only pictures with German Text.

[s3n0]

Hello everyone,

Great forum and thanks for all the hard work! Congratulations on the successful shift from vBulletin to phpBB 3.3.12—impressive upgrade!

I’ve noticed that while the text on the forum is automatically translated into English, the attached pictures are still in German. For international users like myself, it would be really helpful if these images could also be provided in English or include English captions. This would make the content much more accessible and user-friendly for everyone. Thanks a lot for considering this!

Best regards

Sajid

Sorry,but I don't think that this is so possible,because the most thread's here are from German User's and they post most only pictures with German Text.

I also have to react... sorry... I really have to... this is what I think too.

OpenATV made a huge mistake by primarily supporting only the German language. If the discussion forum were English, that means international, then the number of OpenATV users would grow rapidly. I often see posts in the OpenPLi English discussion forum where people are trying to solve problems related to OpenATV.

Although OpenATV also contains an English discussion forum thread, it is often very dead because few users notice it. This English thread could have at least been moved to the top - on the main page of the opena.tv forum. And not hidden somewhere down on the main page of the forum.

I really think that using the German language is a step backwards for the creators of OpenATV. Currently, the most popular Enigma2 distributions are only OpenPLi and OpenATV. Well, I think it's a matter of time when only OpenPLi will be popular.

That's because many people don't get as much support for OpenATV as they do in OpenPLi (in English).

For example, for problems with some USB WiFi Dongle drivers... if a user searches Google in English in conjunction with the OpenATV string, they usually find nothing, because the Google BOT also evaluates the language in which the user searches for various problems. Of course, Google BOT will prefer the English language - not Spanish, German, Turkish, Russian, Arabic, Polish, Czech, etc. ... but always English - the international language, because every international user, of course, searches for everything in English, but not in German! Therefore, the search for OpenATV problems with the help of Google with the English text also becomes dead, due to the existence of only the German language. However, Germans can always search for their problem in Google - because they use their native German language in the Google Search Engine.

It's really a step backwards for OpenATV. In a few years, OpenATV will really only be in Germany and nowhere else in the world. I've heard from many friends directly complaining about problems with non-existent support on the OpenATV forum. I had to explain to them that there is also an English thread for support - and that it is hidden somewhere down in the list of many other - German threads.

I have never understood and never will understand why there is so little support for the English language on the discussion forum. Sorry. It's really very strange.

I wish there was at least an "English Support" thread somewhere at the top, on the main page of the discussion forum - www.opena.tv. I would have recognized then that at least minimal support for English-speaking people exists here.

[listener]

Maschinelle Übersetzungen sind sehr schlecht
Sätze werden aus dem Kontext gerissen
Er verselbständigt sich und kommt beim Leser ganz anders an, als der Autor es beabsichtigt hat

[s3n0]

I'm not writing about an AI translator. I meant English language support - from the entire OpenATV team and also the discussion forum.

[sajid727]

Hello everyone,

Great forum and thanks for all the hard work! Congratulations on the successful shift from vBulletin to phpBB 3.3.12—impressive upgrade!

I’ve noticed that while the text on the forum is automatically translated into English, the attached pictures are still in German. For international users like myself, it would be really helpful if these images could also be provided in English or include English captions. This would make the content much more accessible and user-friendly for everyone. Thanks a lot for considering this!

Best regards

Sajid

Sorry,but I don't think that this is so possible,because the most thread's here are from German User's and they post most only pictures with German Text.

I also have to react... sorry... I really have to... this is what I think too.

OpenATV made a huge mistake by primarily supporting only the German language. If the discussion forum were English, that means international, then the number of OpenATV users would grow rapidly. I often see posts in the OpenPLi English discussion forum where people are trying to solve problems related to OpenATV.

Although OpenATV also contains an English discussion forum thread, it is often very dead because few users notice it. This English thread could have at least been moved to the top - on the main page of the opena.tv forum. And not hidden somewhere down on the main page of the forum.

I really think that using the German language is a step backwards for the creators of OpenATV. Currently, the most popular Enigma2 distributions are only OpenPLi and OpenATV. Well, I think it's a matter of time when only OpenPLi will be popular.

That's because many people don't get as much support for OpenATV as they do in OpenPLi (in English).

For example, for problems with some USB WiFi Dongle drivers... if a user searches Google in English in conjunction with the OpenATV string, they usually find nothing, because the Google BOT also evaluates the language in which the user searches for various problems. Of course, Google BOT will prefer the English language - not Spanish, German, Turkish, Russian, Arabic, Polish, Czech, etc. ... but always English - the international language, because every international user, of course, searches for everything in English, but not in German! Therefore, the search for OpenATV problems with the help of Google with the English text also becomes dead, due to the existence of only the German language. However, Germans can always search for their problem in Google - because they use their native German language in the Google Search Engine.

It's really a step backwards for OpenATV. In a few years, OpenATV will really only be in Germany and nowhere else in the world. I've heard from many friends directly complaining about problems with non-existent support on the OpenATV forum. I had to explain to them that there is also an English thread for support - and that it is hidden somewhere down in the list of many other - German threads.

I have never understood and never will understand why there is so little support for the English language on the discussion forum. Sorry. It's really very strange.

I wish there was at least an "English Support" thread somewhere at the top, on the main page of the discussion forum - www.opena.tv. I would have recognized then that at least minimal support for English-speaking people exists here.

I agree that OpenATV’s focus on the German language seems to be limiting its potential for growth and international support .

It appears that the English discussion forum is not as visible or active as it could be. If the English support thread were placed more prominently on forum, it could attract more English-speaking users and make it easier for them to find help .

Currently, many users who speak English might struggle to get the support they need. This is especially true when they are searching online for solutions to problems, as English is often the preferred language in global searches . If OpenATV only offers limited support in English, users might have a harder time finding answers and resolving issues.

By improving the visibility of the English support thread and making it easier for users to find and use, OpenATV could significantly increase its international user base and offer better support to a wider audience .

I hope that OpenATV will consider these suggestions and make the necessary changes to better support English-speaking users .

[Captain]

Derzeit sind 85 % der Nutzer in diesem Forum deutschsprachig oder zumindest der deutschen Sprache mächtig. Wir suchen zwar Moderatoren, die ausschließlich Englisch sprechen, aber es gibt kaum noch Nutzer, die daran Interesse haben. Enigma2 verliert zunehmend an Bedeutung, und die Zeiten, in denen viele neue Nutzer hinzukamen, sind leider vorbei. Auch die Entwicklungen von Enigma2 bei anderen Teams, abgesehen von OE-A, gehen fast vollständig zurück.

Ich denke, es ist wichtig, dass wir alle daran arbeiten, die Sprachbarriere zu verkleinern. Mit dem neuen Forum wurde bereits ein Schritt in diese Richtung unternommen, aber am Ende müssen wir alle mithelfen, damit es besser wird.

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Currently, 85% of users in this forum speak or understand German. While we are looking for moderators who only speak English, there is little interest from users. Enigma2 is gradually losing significance, and the times when many new users joined are, unfortunately, over. The development of Enigma2 by other teams, apart from OE-A, has also almost come to a halt.

I believe it is important that we all work together to reduce the language barrier. With the new forum, steps have already been taken in this direction, but in the end, we all need to contribute to making things better.

[sajid727]

Derzeit sind 85 % der Nutzer in diesem Forum deutschsprachig oder zumindest der deutschen Sprache mächtig. Wir suchen zwar Moderatoren, die ausschließlich Englisch sprechen, aber es gibt kaum noch Nutzer, die daran Interesse haben. Enigma2 verliert zunehmend an Bedeutung, und die Zeiten, in denen viele neue Nutzer hinzukamen, sind leider vorbei. Auch die Entwicklungen von Enigma2 bei anderen Teams, abgesehen von OE-A, gehen fast vollständig zurück.

Ich denke, es ist wichtig, dass wir alle daran arbeiten, die Sprachbarriere zu verkleinern. Mit dem neuen Forum wurde bereits ein Schritt in diese Richtung unternommen, aber am Ende müssen wir alle mithelfen, damit es besser wird.

***************************************************

Currently, 85% of users in this forum speak or understand German. While we are looking for moderators who only speak English, there is little interest from users. Enigma2 is gradually losing significance, and the times when many new users joined are, unfortunately, over. The development of Enigma2 by other teams, apart from OE-A, has also almost come to a halt.

I believe it is important that we all work together to reduce the language barrier. With the new forum, steps have already been taken in this direction, but in the end, we all need to contribute to making things better.

Looks like we’re in a bit of a linguistic pickle! If we can’t get more English-only moderators, maybe we can train a few German ones to add some English flair to their repertoire. After all, who says we can't mix a little Sauerkraut with our burgers?

[s3n0]

Yes, and the problem... as I already wrote... is also Google-BOT. This one stores everything in the German language. So when I enter a string in connection with OpenATV into the search engine, when I'm looking for solutions and problems with drivers for USB devices, I can't find anything. I would have to use the German language in the Google search engine.

The development of Enigma2 has not stopped. What has stopped is the development of DVB technologies because the digital age of IPTV is beginning. It is only a matter of time before signal propagation via DVB-Satellite and DVB-Terrestrial disappears completely. It will only be a marginal broadcast, where it is not possible to use the Internet. But such an area of ​​planet Earth will soon cease to exist.

[listener]

The development of Enigma2 has not stopped. What has stopped is the development of DVB technologies because the digital age of IPTV is beginning. It is only a matter of time before signal propagation via DVB-Satellite and DVB-Terrestrial disappears completely. It will only be a marginal broadcast, where it is not possible to use the Internet. But such an area of ​​planet Earth will soon cease to exist.

is a different theme
Enigma2 is based on dvb with mpeg2/4
iptv is totally different.
enigma2 can be extended with the cpu/soc codec.
broadcom and hisil soc these are.
ac amr divx3 h264 lpcm mp3 mpeg4 vc1 wmv
ac3 bcma dts h265 mjpeg mpeg2 pcm vp
ffmpeg can remux for other codec
The E2 hardware is fine for iptv only the hardware capabilities
are not yet exploited
this requires programming power which is lacking.
e2 hardware is ideal for iptv better as pc android raspbery etc.

[s3n0]

@listener for God's sake... this is not about proving who is right... @Captain wrote that Enigma2 is gradually dying... if you didn't understand it correctly . I just specified it. I am writing about the fact that the popularity of Enigma2 is not dying, but what is dying is the popularity of watching TV.

Today, young people do NOT watch any commercial TV at all, full of commercials! I have hundreds of people around me aged 10-20. Today, young people already download movies from the Internet and then watch them. Or they normally pay for some online services. Or they "switch" channels on Twitch, Youtube, KICK, Netflix, and other platforms. However, we are still writing about media monitoring in general! In this respect, IPTV or DVB-TV are exactly the same! There is no difference.

I am 43 years old and grew up with TV technology as a user. I remember the time of terrestrial broadcasting, when rich people owned a color classic CRT television. However, rich people already owned a color CRT television. Color TV was a luxury once upon a time. At that time, watching TV was something like the cult of the domestic family :-D. Later, satellite broadcasting from space began to push forward. But even that is dead... just like terrestrial broadcasting.

Today we move ONLY on the Internet. Everything works over the Internet. It is voice and video communication. It is watching either pirated or paid movies. Even live broadcasting is already dead in the eyes of young people. Young people prefer to watch channels on Youtube, Twitch, Netflix and many other platforms. Know that commercial TV broadcasting will definitely disappear in a few years.

So I repeat again... what's dying... it's not the popularity of Enigma2 (openATV and other distributions). What is dying is the popularity of DVB technology. Nobody wants to watch an ad. No one wants to watch corrupt and mass-distributed TV News.

In order for you to understand it better... I will explain it with an example. 30-40 years ago, it was considered LUXURY to have a telephone with a fixed (metallic) dialed line at home. Over time, mobile phones began to appear, which from the beginning were also considered a luxury and NO ONE wanted these phones. When some time passed, on the contrary, smartphones (sometimes just a mobile phone) suddenly became a part of everyone's life. Today, if someone says that "I don't own a smartphone and I don't have a mobile phone number", others consider him a fool. It's a paradox... but it's true. On the other hand, a fixed dial-up line (via metallic cables) is now only a rarity and a surplus, and their life time is already at the end.

It's technological progress that you can't and will never stop.

This is exactly what I claim about DVB technologies. They have no chance of living longer than the upcoming... I'm guessing... 10-20 years. After that, everything will work exclusively via the Internet. Satellite technology will continue to be used only for the purposes of receiving/broadcasting the Internet. Not for the purpose of DVB (TV) broadcasting. DVB is dying. Not Enigma2.

So the loss of interest in Linux set-top boxes or Enigma2-OpenATV is not because people don't speak German or English :-D. This is because DVB technology is at the end of its existence. The age of the Internet is coming. You have to finally realize it. This is the reason why there are fewer and fewer people dependent on commercial DVB broadcasting and prefer paid platforms (like Netflix, one of the largest platforms and primarily multilingual... but there are other platforms as well).

[listener]

@listener for God's sake... this is not about proving who is right... @Captain wrote that Enigma2 is gradually dying... if you didn't understand it correctly . I just specified it. I am writing about the fact that the popularity of Enigma2 is not dying, but what is dying is the popularity of watching TV.


So the loss of interest in Linux set-top boxes or Enigma2-OpenATV is not because people don't speak German or English :-D. This is because DVB technology is at the end of its existence. The age of the Internet is coming. You have to finally realize it. This is the reason why there are fewer and fewer people dependent on commercial DVB broadcasting and prefer paid platforms (like Netflix, one of the largest platforms and primarily multilingual... but there are other platforms as well).

Here's what I said.
Therefore enigma2 dies unless E2 hardware does iptv better

[Masta2002]

Derzeit sind 85 % der Nutzer in diesem Forum deutschsprachig oder zumindest der deutschen Sprache mächtig. Wir suchen zwar Moderatoren, die ausschließlich Englisch sprechen, aber es gibt kaum noch Nutzer, die daran Interesse haben. Enigma2 verliert zunehmend an Bedeutung, und die Zeiten, in denen viele neue Nutzer hinzukamen, sind leider vorbei. Auch die Entwicklungen von Enigma2 bei anderen Teams, abgesehen von OE-A, gehen fast vollständig zurück.

Ich denke, es ist wichtig, dass wir alle daran arbeiten, die Sprachbarriere zu verkleinern. Mit dem neuen Forum wurde bereits ein Schritt in diese Richtung unternommen, aber am Ende müssen wir alle mithelfen, damit es besser wird.

***************************************************

Currently, 85% of users in this forum speak or understand German. While we are looking for moderators who only speak English, there is little interest from users. Enigma2 is gradually losing significance, and the times when many new users joined are, unfortunately, over. The development of Enigma2 by other teams, apart from OE-A, has also almost come to a halt.

I believe it is important that we all work together to reduce the language barrier. With the new forum, steps have already been taken in this direction, but in the end, we all need to contribute to making things better.

@Captain aber ich denke es würde auch nicht schaden den internationalen bereich weiter oben im Board anzuzeigen. Weis aber nicht ob es dann von den englischen usern mehr angenommen würde

[s3n0]

@listener :

OK, but this is completely unrelated to this matter... that why there are few English speaking people on this forum and why there are only German speaking people. Or it is also not related to the topic of the declining popularity of Linux set top boxes or the generally declining popularity of TV watching via DVB technologies.

Also HardWare and IPTV are quite different and different topics. Moreover, IPTV is a very broad field. Unfortunately, this is not just DVB-IP technology today. IPTV means, unfortunately, basically all live / online TV on the Internet .

I still don't know... what exactly you meant.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

The important thing is that there are few English-speaking people here, because this is how this discussion forum was created, this is how it continues, and this is how this discussion forum will probably end (in another 20 years, for example). Full of German speaking people. And almost no English speaking people.

The support of English speaking people is at freezing point, which means, as I have already written and I repeat it for the third time... that you will not find anything even in the Google search engine. You would have to use German so that Google knows to search for results in the German language as well. That is as @Captain wrote, up to 85% of all important topics are unfortunately only in German and for English speaking Google, these German topics are hidden :-/. In other words, the rest of Europe, who does not use German but English, will not find anything on Google. On the contrary, in the German language you will find practically all possible topics that have already been addressed. You can find everything in German... various tips, instructions, bugs, knowledge... from users when they used OpenATV.

This is how I sometimes wanted to find my addition for SkinParts on the discussion forum, via Google search (English). It never found anything for me, even when I used my nick + the exact wording of TOPIC. Of course. Because UNFORTUNATELY this thread is also in German language. So International / English Google will not find anything.

Anyway, the way I see it... I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Some user already pointed this out to me... that I should write in German and not in English . It's better to go away. Where a person is not welcome, he will not forcefully stay there.

[Papi2000]

Many of the supporters in the team use to respect the origin of posters. Nobody is perfect.
We are actual talking in the explicit german thread here now, although there exists to the respect of the rest of the world a special english version of the thread at the beginning. Nobody moves posts around or says go there, if you want to discuss in english.
But don't forget: We (most in the team) are Germans, as most of the users, that made the forum and Image great. Every guest is welcome, and we also took into account, that very special peoples languages have a home in the forum, too.
Multilanguage is nothing self-evident.
We try, to give it to you, in our spre time besides our family and work life.
As you know, the AI-Translator is a paid software, as the server costs for the forum and images...
If that's not enough in your mind, then it's sad.
You're welcome.

[Captain]

in Arbeit google/bing suche, das sollte bald besser werden !

[sajid727]

Many of the supporters in the team use to respect the origin of posters. Nobody is perfect.
We are actual talking in the explicit german thread here now, although there exists to the respect of the rest of the world a special english version of the thread at the beginning. Nobody moves posts around or says go there, if you want to discuss in english.
But don't forget: We (most in the team) are Germans, as most of the users, that made the forum and Image great. Every guest is welcome, and we also took into account, that very special peoples languages have a home in the forum, too.
Multilanguage is nothing self-evident.
We try, to give it to you, in our spre time besides our family and work life.
As you know, the AI-Translator is a paid software, as the server costs for the forum and images...
If that's not enough in your mind, then it's sad.
You're welcome.

Thank you for your response and for clarifying the team's approach . I truly appreciate the effort and dedication that you and the other members put into maintaining the forum, especially considering the time and resources it takes. It's clear that you value inclusivity and respect for all languages, which is admirable .

I completely understand that the majority of the team and users are German and that the forum was built with a strong foundation in that culture. It's great to see that you're making an effort to accommodate different languages, even though it's not an easy task .

Please know that my intention was never to undermine the hard work you do or to suggest that your efforts aren't appreciated . I respect the origins of the forum and the unique community it has fostered. I'm grateful for the opportunity to participate and will do my best to contribute positively .

Thank you again for all that you do, and I look forward to continuing to be a part of this community .

[IanSav]

Hi Everyone,

I would also like to add that I am one of the OpenATV developers. I am not German and I don't speak German. (I am Australian.) Part of my task is to help ensure that OpenATV becomes better Internationalised. To that end we are now enforcing that all code changes are now written in US English which is the "default" coding language. All text, grammar and spelling within the code is being moved to US English. All this core text is also being placed into our translation engine so that the volunteer translators can translate the text into any of the very many supported languages.

OpenATV has, for many years, been driven by people who only speak German. There are some who are also very good with English and others whose home language is also not German. We are all trying to come together to make OpenATV an open and inviting image. Please understand that German speaking users make up the current bulk of the community but the team has been working very hard to try and open access to people who don't speak German and also may not speak English. This is a process and will take time for everyone to adjust.

If any of you feel that your language is not being well handled the please politely point out any areas that can be improved. We can't fix everything but we can keep trying to improve. It should also be noted that all of you can help in the effort by trying to help and support each other to further build up the community of your chosen language.

As an example, The new Beyonwiz related area of the forum was created at my request to create a place where Australian users of a now defunct Australian version of Enigma2 can come and congregate. That area is only handled in English. Some of the multilingual German users do drop in to try and help IN ENGLISH. The area is very new and the word has not well spread to Australian users as the previous support and discussion forums were closed down without any notice. I mention this simply to demonstrate that OpenATV is open and actively trying to support users other than those who only speak German.

Due to my limited time availability, I spend most of my time cutting code and fixing issues, I do try to keep an eye on the Beyonwiz area of the forum. I can try to also keep an eye on the English area of the forum but please note that my primary area is development, coding and skinning. I am not meant to be a forum support person but I hear and understand from where you are coming.

I would also like to add that if any of you want to help the team then that would be very welcome. We would love to have a moderator (at least one) for the English area of the forum. If any of you are very good with English documentation (with the US English slant) then you may like to help review and revise the text within OpenATV. There is also the need for authors to write documentation and manuals to help new English speaking users make the most of OpenATV. There are probably other tasks where you may be able to help.

I hope you will all consider being part of the solution to the lack of English speakers in the current community.

Regards,
Ian.

[Jogibär]

Und ich versteh nur Bahnhof...
Die threads werden nun von englisch sprechenden gekapert weils ihnen übersetzt wird.
Wenn ai translate , dann für alle oder keinen und wieder in der englischen sektion hier schreiben.
So wie es jetzt ist, scrolle ich englische txt nur durch und verliere das intresse an diesem deutschem forum , wo ca. 85% deutsch sprechen.