Signal Finder Question Please

[ArloG]

My question is how I may be able to add in the Service List or replace the Signal finder in openatv 7.4 with one that has the feature. I would desire to be able to see the services on a transponder before scanning. Can the feature be added in by me with a plugin? It is available by default in ...

[hammu]

First of all, do Not include Pictures by external Link!

Where does this list come from before scanning.
The source can either be an external database or a previous scan made on your device.
I do not think there is a way to do so in oATV.

[Papi2000]

Richtig - keine externen Bilder einfügen. Immer an den Post hier anhängen.
Wegen folgendem Punkt habe ich das ausnahmsweise in deinem Post oben repariert.

Denn:
Die Diskussion hatten wir doch schon vorletztes und letztes Jahr?
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An der Tatsache, daß oATV dafür nicht umgebaut wird, hat sich nichts geändert.
Auch weil es Quatsch ist. Es wird doch lediglich ein Ergebnis gezeigt, welches nach einem Scan da wäre. Also werden vor dem Scan Daten angezeigt, die schon irgendwoher kommen müssen.
Wenn du das Feature unbedingt möchtest, musst du bei deinem oVIX bleiben, welches das für dich bietet. Die OE-A Images unterscheiden sich nunmal voneinander.

[ArloG]

I have to translate this reply.
I see no way to attach images directly. Insert image and insert link always prompts for an http://address. So please clarify if I am missing something.

The service information comes directly from the satellite. If the Ethernet/wifi is disconnected.
And today the transponder is tuned in Signal finder. All active channels will be shown.
If in fact a transponder change is made and channels are added/deleted. Then entering Signal finder before scanning anything at all will show the changes.
Further. If an inactive transponder is "turned on" for let's say. An event, game. Knowing the transponder details and entering them as user defined.
All active channels will show. I have watched the signal finder in other images as channels were added live.
The only source of information comes directly from the transponder.
Much as the Dreamlink and other FTA receivers will show the satellite name. in other words. For them.
You maybe aimed at one satellite. And tuned to a transponder in it's signal screen. With the satellite identy displayed.
If you were to steer the dish to another satellite with the exact same transponder parameters. The satellite name populates even though it is still set to the former satellite.

So. All of this information MUST be coming from the transponder.

Can the unimportance of adding what is common in other images by the openatv team be explained?
It IS a very handy and useful tool.
And as I have asked. How would I be able to add it in openatv?

Please explain if the entire complete Signal finder module is an OE "package" with variants for different images?

"Also because it is nonsense. Only a result is shown, which would be there after a scan. So before the scan, data is displayed that must come somewhere.
If you want the feature, you need to stay with your oVIX that offers it for you. The OE-A images differ from each other."

Sir. Please. Your attacks of "nonsense" are certainly not pertinent nor proper.
Again. There is NO scan performed BEFORE the channels are displayed.
Again. IF as much as a new transponder for a satellite is known.
AND tuning to the transponder by entering the parameters needed.
Channels WILL be displayed.

PLUS. If the dish is aimed at a particular satellite.
AND the dish is moved manually without changing the satellite assignment in the receiver.
IF the transponder information is entered in Signal finder.
The channel information for that transponder is shown. The receiver could be assigned to ANY satellite.

I would invite ANYONE to investigate and prove for themselves that the only connection needed is a coaxial cable to the lnb/lnbf.
And WHY the "brain-block" to include or make available the feature with the plethora of entirely useless packages that can be added.
What may be useless. Or "Nonsense". To one person or group of. May be very useful to others.

The one and only reason I migrated to openvix from oATV is because of the feature.
Besides the remote control mapping is IS sane and in not "Nonsense"

Regards,

[Papi2000]

Yes, in engish for you again:
The signal finder and its screens in oATV will not be refactored for adding an information, that is added by scanning the transponder. Because to show the informations, it has already be scanned. Otherwise the new informations would not be availiable to show you. So why scan again twice?

[hammu]

So the request is to scan a transponder for getting the contents, then excluding some channels and scan again?
Why?
If you create your favourite lists all other channels will be ignored.
These are only entries in a text based list.
It does not save time or memory or anything else.

[ArloG]

So the request is to scan a transponder for getting the contents, then excluding some channels and scan again?
Why?
If you create your favourite lists all other channels will be ignored.
These are only entries in a text based list.
It does not save time or memory or anything else.

I think the replies are dodging the advantages. And the purpose.
Satellite lists such as those available from satellites-xml.org obviously cannot be updated hourly.

Wild feeds for events. Leased transponders on satellites. May not have channels present but do show signal.
Or in the case of a data transponder. Never show an actual channel.
Or not have signal until they are "turned on" by the satellite operator.

When they do become active. The only way to see if any broadcasts are present is to perform a scan.
Perhaps many t2mi, mis channels. Which scanning time could be extensive.
Knowing that cycling through the transponder listing in a receiver and seeing that the signal level has become active.
With Service list available in Signal finder. A person can immediately view the channels in the frequency.
Without the need to scan the transponder beforehand. At All.

Ask yourself what you think may be an important or even nice thing to have. It any aspect of life.
Then voice that to another and they may respond negatively. Such as is the case here.
Thousands of entirely useless plugins, skins, Bloatware preinstalled in an image.
With the very useful tools already built in or at least available in a package.

My query is again. As the Service list function has not been available ever in oATV (as you call it).
IF I were wishing to replace the entire Signal finder with a more modern and complete version. How could a person go about it.
No consideration if Werner, Antonio, Claudia, fluffy the cat though that it was complete rubbish.

I also must stress. I am using my own satellites.xml file and is populated with transponders only for the viewable arc in my region.
131W-34W. Any satellites that have obvious encryptions that nobody in the FTA world will ever see a channel on are deleted.
Card usage is invalid in my region. So are transponders with those requirements are also removed.

Useless and irritating things such as oATV wiped the Edision splash screen when installed. Which I can replace. But shouldn;t have to. Hijacked.
It's an Edision Osmio4K. Not a stupid openatv receiver. It even says so on the receiver labeling. Stop hijacking our boxes. The logo sucks!

Who honestly cares about IMDb, Programmlistensterschlesser Updanenschpieler, and 14,000 skins?
Hans may. Me? IDGAf.

How a bout a very useful Service list in Signal finder like the big boys? I mean. You do want to be have "something" that is not stagnant when you add the next decimal to your software version. Don't you? Because going from 6.2, 6.3, 6.4......and leaping to 7.X. Somebody left something in the 'fridge too long.

Service list. Say it with me. Come on Hansel. You can do it!

[Papi2000]

Read my lips: No.

[ArloG]

Read my lips: No.

As per the others. In English.
How do I post an image or set of images directly into a post without going to an image hosting site?

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[ArloG]

Okay. Copy and paste it is then.

Let's start.
1) The first image shows the satellites.xml fie parsed of every satellite and transponders on them.
In a fresh image of TNAP 5.1. Modeled after openpli.
One C band transponder was copied to each satellite in the list. Saved and the receiver cold booted.
Nothing done in setup but the normal resolution check. No detected backup restored. Network and root password set. That's it.

2) Two satellites were configured in Tuners & Scanning>Tuner Setup. 125W and 127W. Saved.
The next two images show a known active transponder for 127W from Lyngsat. The transponder information was entered in Signal finder. As a user defined transponder. As the transponder does not exist in the satellites.xml.
Immediately upon entering the parameters. Signal strength appears immediately.
No scan was performed. No delay in the signal bar response.

3) Next. Service list (yellow RCU button) is pressed. Immediately the channels on the transponder are displayed.
There is no scan, no progress bar as the tp is scanned. The channel display is immediate. Again. NO scan.

4) You will love this. Next. The dish positioner is moved to 125W manually. Signal finder is left on 127W as you can see in the image. Galaxy 30 125W list is displayed. And transponder 3860 V parameters are entered in Signal finder with User defined transponder selected. When entered, signal strength immediately is displayed.
The receiver is still set for 127W. But is now pointed at 125W and tuned to a transponder on it.

5) Service list is selected. Quickly. No scan is performed. Again, the time from obtaining signal to when the yellow RCU button is pressed is Immediate.

6) The last image shows channels as Program 1, etc. As is the case with many. And where a channel editor is used to properly name and order them. When a blindscan or manual scan is performed the channels display the same.
If background scanning is not disabled they will eventually be renamed as original.
When looking at the service listing, never is the transponder scanned and no results are written to the receiver, external storage.
This tutorial clearly exhibits the feature that other images have had for a long time and the oATV crew is in denial of.
And. If you were to investigate yourself, you would have the exact same results.
All services on the selected transponder are displayed with no scanning needed prior. None at all.

[hammu]

So here is a final solution to satisfy allyour requests:

a fresh image of TNAP 5.1.

To repeat the question, whether this features will be included into oATV - the answer is NO!

Maybe this guy can help

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[ArloG]

Very creative there, ham sandwich.
I found it very "closed" minded as to if, how , and why the transponder information prior to any scanning can be a very useful item in the menu.

Further. The arrogance by the people who have responded to this thread is simply disgusting.
Santa? Read my lips? And the total denial that anything as far-fetched and "impossible" of the absolute possibility this could be done.
Everyone should be ashamed of themselves.

Possibly the most common of images flashed on consumer grade satellite receivers. And still living with the dinosaurs.
It may even be possible that a crafty person will figure out. Or work with me to develop a replacement for the stagnant Signal Finder.
Exactly as some brain-trust at the oATV crew decided one fine day to remove softcam installation.
What did it take? A few days for that solution to be found?

I would be very embarrassed after the guy who stood up way high on his barrel of beer blurting out that such a thing was impossible.
And then clearly and step-by-step demonstrated that it can and is being done. And it works flawlessly.

Akin to a person being born in a small horse and carriage village and never seeing a motor vehicle.
Wake up, Klauss and smell the petrol.
If I were able to swear in German at the few rude ones here. One of the words would relate to 'hole'.
As I myself prefer to keep my privates in my trousers. While they proudly display them on their shoulders.

Santa? Really?

[Papi2000]

You know the facts.
So here is closed.
You need NOT ask again for that topic.