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    Low Satelite Signal Strength - Edision OS NINO PRO

    Hi,

    i recently bought a new Edision Nino Pro to replace my existing Optimuss OS 3.

    I am using the receiver to watch freesat channels on Astra 28.2 and running latest OATV 6.2 build.

    My problem is that the Satelite signal strength on the new Nini Pro is very low even on those channels with highest strength (BBC,ITV,C4 etc. ).

    I have plugged back in my old Optimuss OS3 several times to see if the problem is cabling but I am still getting the high signal values (95-99%). On the new NINO PRO these are as low as 50 - 66% and in many cases there is distortion of pictures.

    The Nino Pro claims to have a very sensitive tuner so could this be firmware related?

    has anyone any ideas?

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    How much stronger is 90-95% supposed to be as compared to 50 - 66%?

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    Hi Al Bandido,

    I’d say about 40% if you do the maths on it!

    On my old Edision box there is no signal break up, on the new box there is.

    The Nino Pro markets itself as having ‘very sensitive tuner’ so I’m really surprised by the poor performance.

    As far as I can tell my settings for the tuner are the same on both Satelite boxes and I’m not combining different Satelite feeds.

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    Box 1:
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    If the manufacturer claims to be using a hypersensitive tuner, then you probably have a poorly configured satellite antenna. Try to pay a service technician to set up your satellite antenna again with special meters (which are more sensitive than any set top box).

    But it's so strange. Because the signal should be better (the signal quality is better, the signal strength is the same) if there is a reportedly sensitive tuner. And maybe it's just stupid marketing trick :). Or is there incompatibility with the LNB ? Hm...

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    Zitat Zitat von Partymack711 Beitrag anzeigen
    Hi Al Bandido,

    I’d say about 40% if you do the maths on it!

    On my old Edision box there is no signal break up, on the new box there is.

    The Nino Pro markets itself as having ‘very sensitive tuner’ so I’m really surprised by the poor performance.

    As far as I can tell my settings for the tuner are the same on both Satelite boxes and I’m not combining different Satelite feeds.
    Signal meters in % do not work that way in fta receivers because 100 percent signal on one receiver may not be 100% on another receiver. For example, receiver A may be set to show 100% at 15db (snr) while receiver B may be set to show 100% at 20 db (snr). So the actual strength of the signal may be extremely different, or slightly different between two different models of receivers. at 100 percent signal reading.

    The Nino Pro will have about 11.8 db for 50% signal, and about 14.5 db for 60% . 11.8 db may be a bit low for good signal reception, but it will depend on the type of transponder your channels are on. 60% or about 14.5db would be strong enough to receive most types of transponders. Most of my transponders have a signal between 50-60 percent using the Nino Pro, and I do not have any problems watching the channels on them. I would suggest to check the cables and other parts of your antenna system. I doubt there is anything wrong with your Nino Pro.

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    Thanks Al/S3no,

    I understand your point about receiver signal strengths not being uniform and I also can understand why you would suggest it might be the Satelite Antenna ...,

    However - in a direct comparison with my existing Edision receiver (OS3) with no change to cabling, antenna etc the signal quality goes from being perfect to experiencing picture breakup.

    To test this I swapped the boxes over several times across the last 4days and each time the result is the same. No picture break up on old box, but picture break up on new NINO PRO.

    I was testing the same channels on both boxes - it is instructive that the signal strength (SNR) on the OS3 is 95% and the NINO only 55% - even if 1% on Nino represents a different dB Rating than on the OS3.

    It could be settings, firmware or maybe hardware - I’m pretty sure from my testing it is not cabling/alignment.
    Geändert von Partymack711 (08.01.2019 um 18:50 Uhr)

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    Box 1:
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    A sensitive tuner may mean, for example, the perception of a smaller bandwidth. The tuner thus "listens" only to the exact tuned carrier frequency, without deviations, without correcting the noise. In that case, however, the antenna must be directed precisely on the satellite in the universe :). The tuner will not receive any noise from very near frequencies, but you need a LARGER signal - that means larger antenna diameter + accurately directing the antenna on the satellite in the universe. You can precisely set the antenna only with special devices designed for tuning DVB radio signals, set top box can not do this, you need a "Satellite Finder", either for DVB-S2 or some "MULTI".

    I hope I'm not wrong :). I'm not an expert.


    Still a comment about SNR information in set top boxes:

    This information is not perfect. As I wrote, signal strength testing does not perform any special sensitive hardware. It's probably just a software estimation of strength and signal quality. For measuring, you need a special device. In one of the boxes, you probably have a better antenna amplifier or noise sensing from ambient frequencies (and not just the tuned frequency).

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    Zitat Zitat von Partymack711 Beitrag anzeigen
    Thanks Al/S3no,

    I understand your point about receiver signal strengths not being uniform and I also can understand why you would suggest it might be the Satelite Antenna ...,

    However - in a direct comparison with my existing Edision receiver (OS3) with no change to cabling, antenna etc the signal quality goes from being perfect to experiencing picture breakup.

    To test this I swapped the boxes over several times across the last 4days and each time the result is the same. No picture break up on old box, but picture break up on new NINO PRO.

    I was testing the same channels on both boxes - it is instructive that the signal strength (SNR) on the OS3 is 95% and the NINO only 55% - even if 1% on Nino represents a different dB Rating than on the OS3.

    It could be settings, firmware or maybe hardware - I’m pretty sure from my testing it is not cabling/alignment.
    You should talk to the person you purchased the receiver from about this issue.
    % Numbers are one thing. Picture break-ups are another. If you have good reception with one receiver, then you disconnect that receiver and connect another receiver to the exact same cabling, and the picture breaks or is distorted then the box may have an issue. Do not worry about % meters or comparisons of % between the two receivers as that does not mean much, but picture break-ups do.

    I have the Nino Pro and the MIO. Both of these receivers have excellent tuners for my c and ku band dish system.

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    Thanks Al,

    I have spoken to seller. I have a few things to check before I look to return.

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    Zitat Zitat von Partymack711 Beitrag anzeigen
    Thanks Al,

    I have spoken to seller. I have a few things to check before I look to return.
    Hello dear friends,
    My name is Marios from Greece. I have bought the same device and I have the same problem.Very poor performance. I have tried with other tuners with the same lnb etc, and nino+ is the worst. Any solution please?

    Thank you,
    Marios


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