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    WTE, I know what HiSil uses (as you can see, so you don't need to repeat my words back to me, thanx) but things are a little bit more complicated than black-white... There are tests to be made, with and without hisiliconservice, which I hope to do today, then we compare... Be that as it may, we still need somebody really knowledgeable to fix these issues, like overlapping, mutual competition of various similar libs, perhaps overwrites of libs between the similar players etc. etc.

    Tests (streaming and playback via internal player, i.e. via FILE LIST button or Media Player in Plugins) should be done after virgin installation, before anything else is installed, especially before one installs Kodi, E2iPlayer, FNC plugins, ServiceApp etc. for reasons just given. So, with and then without hisiliconeservice installed - then compare the notes...

    Uninstalling HiSilicone Service can be done either manually from: /usr/lib//enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/ServiceHisilicon

    or via command *l*i*n*e*, like so:

    Code:
    opkg remove enigma2-plugin-systemplugins-servicehisilicon --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
    To install it back:

    Code:
    opkg install --force-reinstall enigma2-plugin-sytemplugins-servicehilsilicon
    Correct?

    And the issue of how we add to the support/services/codecs, if the HW level codec support is not there, so we do not have to wait for HiSilicon to fix those issues, given it's all closed source at their end - remains open...

    Perhaps you could help and test, then send the results to HiSilicon? I have very limited time these days - and our team is rather small...

    Btw, do not confuse Exteplayer3 in E2iPlayer with ServiceApp Exteplayer... They are related but...

    Tio, thank you!! Delfi and Franc already reminded me of that. However, it's at least partially based on misunderstanding, I think, since I do not use iso, BluRay etc. files.

    DVD Player (OpenPLi written, from what I "know") that is built-in works pretty darn well, albeit with some minor bugs, as we heard from WTE and me.

    "python-mutagen for better handling of CD Structure" - OK, thanx, that''s specific, I will try and tell!

    I might as well install additional BluRay files/plugins, since I am at it but I doubt this will have any effect, given what I use it for and what I have to test it with...

    Cheers!
    Geändert von gorski (02.12.2018 um 11:14 Uhr)

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    Zitat Zitat von tiopedro1958 Beitrag anzeigen
    Thougt about E2 Image issues already?
    Afaik and use, there are still some dependencies/plugins to install for enjoying smoothless DVD/Bluray Playback.(talking about hd51/OpenATV all Versions) without Hardware Decoding ability)
    Please repeat your Tests playing DVD`s (VOB or iso) after installing from Feed as there are
    DVDburn plugin (there is at least one of these dependencies installed with), which is basically developed to create iso-files from external DVD-Burner Device
    python-mutagen for better handling of CD Structure
    Bmediacenter needed for Bluray Playback
    Blurayplayer-plugin for Browsing the Sources and Playback

    @gorski... but maybe you should open a new Thread, asking for move the already existing Conversation to there.
    For ISO movies there should been made in enigma2 first a mount solution as similar like this
    mount the bluray iso file like this
    mkdir /tmp/isomovie/;mount -o loop -t udf /mnt/usb/isomovie.iso /tmp/isomovie/

    I do not know if the Blurayplayer-plugin does this already.
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    Zitat Zitat von gorski Beitrag anzeigen
    And the issue of how we add to the support/services/codecs, if the HW level codec support is not there, so we do not have to wait for HiSilicon to fix those issues, given it's all closed source at their end - remains open...

    Perhaps you could help and test, then send the results to HiSilicon? I have very limited time these days - and our team is rather small...
    Broadcom HW codec is as closed as Hisilicon. Ext3player is made so far I believe to have some basic ffmpeg support direct in Enigma2. A bit what Kodi does but the ffmpeg (Videoplayer) player in Kodi is far more advanced.
    As for HW codec so far I know they leanback to Gstreamer but in this new situation it should leanback to the Hiplayer.
    To make this there is huge knowledges needed and probably 6 months time. I do not think a team will do this as the Hiplayer already works fine.

    I think the ext3player becomes absolute as HiPlayer uses the advances of FFMPEG as well.
    See for example the Hiplayer in Kodi this functions very good and it should support DASH and other DRM functions as well

    Lets wait for some test and reports what should work better in ext3player then in Hiplayer. We can report it to Hisilicon to improve this points as well.
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    Ermmmm, not so fast, you forgot this: [request] Use more features of the Hisilicon Hi3798M V200 SoC * Issue #7 * zgemma-star/meta-zgemma * GitHub

    As you can see from the thread, Zgemma did not test it all, deffo not properly, so they can't know for sure, they admit it freely. They even have a "problem" with DASH (YouTube, for instance) and DRM, they have problems with... Ahem... So, while pointing a finger at the "other" continues we will get nowhere fast with fixing the issues.

    Anyway, read this slowly and carefully and you will see that the hired developer team working for Zgemma don't actually know a number of things, i.e. they have not tested it. Or they claim not to be responsible for it, building a retreat route for themselves, pointing a finger to HiSilicon...

    Depending on the structure of all of this, we may have a problem with adding the missing/not functioning bits to the mix, because... well, read on and see...

    In short: there is no need to be tribal about it but level headed and open-minded, if we want to improve the whole thing. No one in their right mind will say that it all works perfectly and flawlessly because we have seen reports from all directions, the users saying they have problems playing x, y and z....

    Now then, solving these problems should be done in a systemic manner: how do we figure out who is responsible for which part and then address the issues and fix the problems? For that we would need somebody really clued up to tell us which part is OK, which is not and why. Then, maybe...

    As far as ffmpeg is concerned: sure, it is better in some ways when it comes to older, weaker HW etc.

    But newer satellite STBs are much more powerful, so they can handle Gstreamer's inefficiency etc. Moreover, Gstreamer has improved a lot in all directions, in the meantime, too...

    Again, I would not paint a black/white picture, in this department, also. Look at H7. At my end it works really well, better than H9 at the moment! Maybe there is potential in H9 to be better than H7, sure. But we need to see it to believe it...

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    Question

    First, in my H9.2H + USB attached HDD, with PurE2, I installed this:

    python-mutagen for better handling of CD Structure
    (To find it, one must go to Advanced options in SW Manager, to get to the looooong list and it is at the bottom, so go UP to find it)

    FILE LIST button > no change with, for instance, Eric Clapton "One more car, one more rider" - no sound in the DVD Menu, choosing songs is the same as before, once chosen - nothing happens...

    Then, this:

    DVDburn plugin (there is at least one of these dependencies installed with), which is basically developed to create iso-files from external DVD-Burner Device
    Nada, no change.

    Bmediacenter needed for Bluray Playback
    As above.

    If you go to the MENU > B Media Centre > find the DVD folder > it can't play it, you can only play them separately, one by one, as the E2 included Media Player (and other individually chosen and added plugins) can.

    Blurayplayer-plugin for Browsing the Sources and Playback
    As above, nothing works with a built-in DVD Player... BSOD when going to Plugins > BR player...

    But this is not a test conducted after a virgin installation.

    Full RESTART (just in case) and the same results...

    Installed Kodi and tried... Nope... Not as a whole folder, no...

    Eric Clapton from HDD, Paco de Lucia from NAS, Aranjuez or Anos de Flamenco - no sound, if there is image to be seen... NOthing I do in the settings changes it...

    Tests continue...

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    Zitat Zitat von gorski Beitrag anzeigen
    Ermmmm, not so fast, you forgot this: [request] Use more features of the Hisilicon Hi3798M V200 SoC * Issue #7 * zgemma-star/meta-zgemma * GitHub

    As you can see from the thread, Zgemma did not test it all, deffo not properly, so they can't know for sure, they admit it freely. They even have a "problem" with DASH (YouTube, for instance) and DRM, they have problems with... Ahem... So, while pointing a finger at the "other" continues we will get nowhere fast with fixing the issues.

    Anyway, read this slowly and carefully and you will see that the hired developer team working for Zgemma don't actually know a number of things, i.e. they have not tested it. Or they claim not to be responsible for it, building a retreat route for themselves, pointing a finger to HiSilicon...

    Depending on the structure of all of this, we may have a problem with adding the missing/not functioning bits to the mix, because... well, read on and see...

    In short: there is no need to be tribal about it but level headed and open-minded, if we want to improve the whole thing. No one in their right mind will say that it all works perfectly and flawlessly because we have seen reports from all directions, the users saying they have problems playing x, y and z....

    Now then, solving these problems should be done in a systemic manner: how do we figure out who is responsible for which part and then address the issues and fix the problems? For that we would need somebody really clued up to tell us which part is OK, which is not and why. Then, maybe...

    As far as ffmpeg is concerned: sure, it is better in some ways when it comes to older, weaker HW etc.

    But newer satellite STBs are much more powerful, so they can handle Gstreamer's inefficiency etc. Moreover, Gstreamer has improved a lot in all directions, in the meantime, too...

    Again, I would not paint a black/white picture, in this department, also. Look at H7. At my end it works really well, better than H9 at the moment! Maybe there is potential in H9 to be better than H7, sure. But we need to see it to believe it...
    A poor gstreamer player works on the box as well Kodiplayer and hiplayer.
    So for me it's clear the problem is by the videoplayer. Otherwise this other players cannot work as well!!!

    They should make HW codec support compatible with Hiplayer what is done in Kodi now as well.

    Broadcom used Gstreamer standard where Hisilicon uses FFMpeg standard. This is major difference why better not use anything from Gstreamer
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    I know, WTE - but Gstreamer has been improved in the meantime, quite a bit - at least for our STBs...

    HiPlayer is not yet there, at least in some of our STBs, as we can see...

    Our coders have learnt from ffmpeg and Kodi etc.

    FFmpeg is now coming as standard in a number of E2 images...

    So, I would say that this process of exchange of knowledge, learning on all sides, moving in both directions is continuing and the differences are getting smaller in various ways...

    My point is: it's not so black/white, to my mind...

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    Zitat Zitat von gorski Beitrag anzeigen
    Ermmmm, not so fast, you forgot this: [request] Use more features of the Hisilicon Hi3798M V200 SoC * Issue #7 * zgemma-star/meta-zgemma * GitHub

    As you can see from the thread, Zgemma did not test it all
    It seems that the topic starter doesn't had a box and just assume some points like DVB-API, FLAC, OGG and so on. Bit funny when I read it twice.
    Probably later in topic with testing external players in topic they probably still had Hiplayer running and so the /dev/ entries are occupied.

    Zitat Zitat von gorski Beitrag anzeigen
    I know, WTE - but Gstreamer has been improved in the meantime, quite a bit - at least for our STBs...

    HiPlayer is not yet there, at least in some of our STBs, as we can see...

    Our coders have learnt from ffmpeg and Kodi etc.

    FFmpeg is now coming as standard in a number of E2 images...

    So, I would say that this process of exchange of knowledge, learning on all sides, moving in both directions is continuing and the differences are getting smaller in various ways...

    My point is: it's not so black/white, to my mind...
    Sorry I do not follow, Hiplayer is a lot further then Gstreamer or ext3player and with the extra FFMpeg software support it's a powerful mediaplayer.
    Lets see if players like ext3player can improve. Probably ext3player is made for Broadcom chipset and has poor till non support for our nice hisilicon boxes.

    What does Hiplayer not do compair with other players. Let first concentrate on this point as I cannot find many.
    Geändert von WTE (02.12.2018 um 15:48 Uhr)
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    H7 works pretty fine at my end, so go figure.....

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    Zitat Zitat von gorski Beitrag anzeigen
    H7 works pretty fine at my end, so go figure.....
    H7 is Broadcom box and this works well yes. This is about H9 and what is less with mediaplayback on the H9 compare with H7 ?

    My opinion:
    H9:
    can have media DRM support
    Plays more media formats like 4K- H264,
    Plays DTS audio lot more and better
    Plays 4K media lot smoother.
    Kodi has native GUI and works perfect it not switch back to enigma2 for playing

    H7 :
    I see no advance at all in mediaplayback
    Geändert von WTE (02.12.2018 um 15:59 Uhr)
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